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    Mick B

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    Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:10 am

    Righto, I want real world IM marathon Fade Data. All of `em too, not just cherry picking the ones you got right. First half, second half, total time and course details. Don't be shy. Time for the runners to brag and the crap pacers to man up with their disasters.

    I want to see what the real Fade Factor is for your weekend warrior. I know everyone targets the 3:30 Golden Fleece (with the exception of the gazelles; Glenn, CEM, Harris et al) but they don't grow on trees.

    I will start and as you can see they are ordinary so there is no excuses not to put them up.

    1) 2.01, 2.28, 4.29 Port 07
    2) 1.54, 2.19, 4.13 WA 08

    A solid 22% for both when rounded but too small a study group.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:33 am

    Blouses
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    Alex R
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Alex R on Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:50 am

    I have been googling the results and can't find mine with splits. Where did you get them? WIl be an interesting topic for sure.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:14 am

    Sheik Al E Hriken, round numbers will suffice for the exercise. Mine came from memory but I am always calculating splits and paces when running. Can't help it.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Alex R on Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:26 am

    Bummer. I have no idea of the splits. IM OZ/Busso just have the total times listed. Would have been good to look at.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Glenn C on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:18 am

    At Port if I remember correctly I went throught the first lap under 2.55 pace (if I remember correctly) Shocked I didn't have any idea of my pace until I completed the lap and remember thinking "Well you are not Patrick Vernay so this could get messy" LOL. I was chasing a mate who was 10mins up the road after after he rode under 5hrs inc transition. I was taking just over 3.30 a lap from him until he cramped near the end of the 2nd lap. If he hadn't it was gonna be epic for the finish. The 2nd lap wasn't too bad and I was just over 3hr pace. 3rd lap I was in front and took a few easy aid stations but was hurting alot. And as most know ran a 3.09. I reckon its the first lap that cost me a sub 3 and costs most others faster run times (thats the lesson). I now really rely on my Garmin (bought it after the race) to not overpace early. This overpacing isn't just a problem for triathletes I have seen MANY people do it running races time and time again.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Andrew K on Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:51 pm

    Alex R wrote:Bummer. I have no idea of the splits. IM OZ/Busso just have the total times listed. Would have been good to look at.

    Sheesh Alex you of all people I woulda thought you'd be all over this Embarassed

    http://ironman.com/events/ironman/westernaustralia/?show=tracker&rid=129&year=2007

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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Aidan R on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:11 am

    me - only IM - IM OZ 08

    first half 1.50.23 (approx)
    second half 2.10.56 (approx)

    total 4.01.19

    I thought I would run around 3.40...

    about 18.6% fade for me

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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Aidan R on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:18 am

    Alex, for you at IMOZ 08

    6.21.41 off bike

    8.10.53 at 17.86k

    9.06.28 at 24.78k
    (av pace between these two 8.02)
    Approx time for halfway add 26.02
    8.36.55 therefore 1st half 2.15.14
    Finish 10.53.58
    2nd half
    2.17.03

    Sooo…
    1st half 2.15.14
    Second half 2.17.03
    Almost even splits! (yes I understand your issues on this day…)


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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:22 am

    Thanks Aidan. Glad I got someone willing to play. Come on, don't be shy.
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    Alex R
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Alex R on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:11 pm

    Aidan R wrote:Alex, for you at IMOZ 08


    Sooo…
    1st half 2.15.14
    Second half 2.17.03
    Almost even splits! (yes I understand your issues on this day…)

    Hey, thanks mate. The middle 20km of that was where all the time was lost. First 5km and last 5km were OK.

    IMWA 2007

    21.1km in 1:45:56
    21.1km in 1:58:04
    That adds up to 3:45 even but the actual was 15 seconds faster at 3:44:45

    Very close to 12% fade

    I would say this one was well executed on the bike as I paced it to a pre set plan.

    One that is worth looking at is my 2007 Port IM. This was my most enjoyable race by far, and the run went like this.....


    21.1km 2:12
    21.1km 2:12
    That adds up to 4:24 but actual was 4:25.

    Even split nearly to the second.....

    So 3 of my 4 IMS have seen (I did not included the first one as it will have an enormous fade as it was a walk from 30km which is what 6 weeks training will do for you).....

    Fade
    0%
    1%
    12%


    The fastest was the one with 12% fade. The fastest bike was the one with 12% fade. The fastest run was the one with 12% fade.

    Go buy a power meter.....

    Todd C

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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Todd C on Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:16 am

    More fade data based on Ironmanlive Athlete Tracker info:

    Me
    IMOZ 2008 = 4:08:53 (total time 10:55)
    1st half = 1:56:16
    2nd half = 2:12:37
    difference = 16:20
    fade = 14.05%

    Me
    IMOZ 2007 = 4:14:18 (total time 11:21)
    1st half = 2:03:46
    2nd half = 2:10:32
    difference = 6:46
    fade = 5.47%

    Mrs C
    IMOZ 2008 = 3:23:19 (total time 9:50)
    1st half = 1:33:55
    2nd half = 1:49:24
    difference = 15:28
    fade = 16.47%

    Surprised by the extent of this fade, but the first half was a smokin time and the only people in front of her were Kate Major and Chrissie and she wasn't about to catch them.

    Mrs C
    IMOZ 2007 = 3:38:46 (total time 10:29)
    1st half = 1:43:31
    2nd half = 1:55:15
    difference = 11:44
    fade = 11.15%

    Mrs C
    IMOZ 2006 = 3:39.36 (total time 10:22)
    1st half = 1:44:27
    2nd half = 1:55:09
    difference = 10:43
    fade = 10.26%

    The key to a (relatively) fast IM run - go 'fast' early because it is going to get ugly later anyway ???
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:49 am

    Thanks Todd. C'mon Rogerio, you have a few races under your belt. Harris.
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    Julie H

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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Julie H on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:01 am

    IM OZ 2007
    21km: 2:07hrs
    42km: 2.11 hrs
    Total: 4.18 Hrs

    IM NZ 2009
    21km: 1.52
    42km: 1.55
    total: 3.47

    How are you working out the fade?

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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Todd C on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:31 am

    In your case the fade is hardly worth worrying about!

    2007 = 3.15%

    2009 = 2.67%
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    Mick B

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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:34 am

    Julie H wrote:IM OZ 2007
    21km: 2:07hrs
    42km: 2.11 hrs
    Total: 4.18 Hrs

    IM NZ 2009
    21km: 1.52
    42km: 1.55
    total: 3.47

    How are you working out the fade?

    Awesome pacing Julie. You must have been happy with those.

    I was taking the difference btw the two halves and dividing it by the mins of the first half,. eg for your first, 4/127 = 3%.

    I reckon 3% would be about perfect because a neg split may show you have been a little too conservative and left some time out there.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Julie H on Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:20 am

    Thanks Mick, yes was happy with those. I find once I start at a pace I stick to it, I suppose that is a good thing to be able to do.
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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Jason C on Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:57 am

    Port 08
    21.1K: 2.16
    42.2K: 2.25
    Total: 4.41
    Fade: 6.62%
    Expected time: 4.30

    Port 09
    21.1K: 2.08
    42.2K: 2.19
    Total: 4.27
    Fade: 8.59%
    Expected time: 4.15

    Stand alone Marathon GC 07
    21.1K: 1.37
    42.2K: 1.49
    Total: 3.26
    Fade: 12.37%
    Expected time: 3.15

    My pacing is not the best as you can see, but I'm still learning in this sport. Oh, & I know my IM run times are fairly soft as well. I will hopefully rectify that next year.

    Clarkey


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    Re: Lets study The Fade

    Post by Mick B on Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:33 am

    I suppose I should have asked what expected time was as well. That would have put them all in more perspective. Thanks Clarkey for posting yours.

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