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    Test workouts?

    Matt Mac
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    Post by Matt Mac Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:38 pm

    What regular test workouts do people do to track changes in/response to training or your current form?

    MAF test for running?
    Regular bike TT?
    Swim timed efforts?
    Alex R
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    Post by Alex R Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:29 am

    There is the fabled 100km TT that AP has people doing and seems that many have jumped on board as well with it. The intent of the session is more to have you get in the Aero position for 100km and turn on a race face. The actual time really does not matter but is more to release the beast so to speak once a month. We don't race very often as IM focused people so days like this are pretty much there to feed the competitive side of people. I know there are lots of dudes going and and doing these around the shop without actually thinking about why.

    I was doing a 17.2km run every couple of weeks at the same heart rate (IM rate) and watching the time come down. I think that while not wasted time, I was confusing the matter when I think I should have been running at the same pace (IM pace). What it meant was that I became very good at running at that heart rate but in reallity come race day that heart rate was too low and I became a slave to the HRM. Like Campbell often posts, "the triathlete was on their way to a pb until their HRM told them to slow down".

    Mentioning Campbell again, he put me onto Daniel's running formula and that thing is great for advice on what to do with your TT/Race results. As your base line increases, there is a very specific change to your training paces. You can find a fairly large chunk of it on Google Boooks. The table lives HERE


    The constant/TT course concept is why IMOZ and Gold Coast Half shit me. They have never had the same course twice at either so you can't get a true feel for consecutive races. I think that base line and then testing are great for your feedabck.
    Nathan C
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    Post by Nathan C Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:06 am

    Swim
    400m TT gives a good bench mark
    10x100m on set pace, 1:30, 1:35 or 2:00 what ever you need to do

    Bike
    TT's 20km, 40km get some base line times and chat your improvement.

    Run
    Test set of 3 reps of 5x400m on a set time repeat.
    Possibly should do more reps for long distance racers but this was a good set when i did short course.
    Paul F
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    Post by Paul F Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:23 am

    Submaximal tests
    Swim = 1000m at goal race effort
    Bike = 20km, 60km, 80km, 120km up to and including 180km race sim ride.
    Run = 8km run test (4x1km @ IMHR, 4x1km @ IMHR +10bpm) This is a continuous 8km run.

    I like the sub maximal tests because you can do them more frequently and make adjustments according to how you are progressing. I generally aim to do a swim, bike and run test every 6 to 8 weeks to monitor which discipline shows the least amount of improvement and then that will become my focus for the next 6-8 week block of training

    Threshold tests
    swim = 400, 1000m or 1.5km
    Bike = 40km or the 42minute test (2x20min with a 2min RI).
    Run = 10km flat out
    Any race = funs runs, Sprint tri's, OLY's ad HIM's

    I only do these tests 2-3 times per year as they are quite stressful, but are still useful for setting up early season training zones and then inseason training zones. I usually try and get as many people as I can involved in these tests for motivational purpose.

    Daily tests
    These are ongoing and usually involve hitting a lap split between point A and point B on a common course, for cycling and running. For example, I have a 4km run marked out that I usually take 1km splits on the way home to check pace against HR. Do this multiple times allows for variations in HR and you can fins clearn patterms in how you are improving against the volume of training you do and the intensity you train at.


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    Matt M
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    Post by Matt M Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:51 pm

    Places names are in Sutherland Shire in Sydney
    bike
    2 hours TT at Kurnell, see how many kms in two hours.
    Waterfall Hill Climb Time
    16k TT at Kurnell Time

    run
    4.5k hilly loop at Loftus - straight time
    Lady Carrington in Royal National Park
    1km repeat efforts times X 4, ie flat chat 1k X 4, recovery is add one minute in the k back to start, then again, concept is to run the efforts all sub 4 mins and record times - could not do it at moment.

    Swim - anywhere
    20 x 50mtrs off one minute recording each lap time but really digging deep on every 4th
    200/400/1k time in pool - interesting don't really worry about times for longer, feel that takes care of itself by doing 4k squads.
    Alex R
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    Post by Alex R Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:11 pm

    Matt M wrote:Places names are in Sutherland Shire in Sydney


    Swim - anywhere
    20 x 50mtrs off one minute recording each lap time but really digging deep on every 4th

    Hey, that is a good one. When you are swim fit, do you see much fade over the faster efforts (4th) from first to last?
    Matt M
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    Post by Matt M Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:48 pm

    yes, 2 to 5 secs depending on how I'm feeling. Normally find you lift for the twentieth as you know its the last and that is quicker than 16. Big difference sitting on a manageable "fast time for your ability" for twenty laps v's going for it every lap.

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